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david grasmick 01-26-2007 xiv:eighteen:03 Report to Moderator	I accept a to20 with a z129 cont. engine. There is no visible oil filter externally or internally. There appears to be some sort of a sump type associates which was full of gunk. Is there an improver oil filter that can be practical to this engine? Also anti-freeze was in the oil. david [Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
mike a. tenn. 01-27-2007 03:59:23 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to david grasmick, 01-26-2007 xiv:18:03 david...because you said there was no external oil filter i assumed yous had the Z-120 engine with the filter in the oil pan. after what jim in oh. said, now i'm curious. delight allow us know what you have on the data plate on your engine. the coolant in the oil problem is pretty common with TO-20'south. (mine has a the same problem) if you "surf" thru this ferguson forum you will detect many discussions virtually it and quite a few ideas most how to cure this trouble. allow usa know what you lot find. -mike [Log in to Answer][No E-mail]
Jim in OH 01-26-2007 xix:53:07 Written report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in respond to david grasmick, 01-26-2007 xiv:18:03 Howdy David... I don't know what you take, only the situation might exist a little more complicated than suggested. Some time afterwards start of the TO30/Z129 production, the TO20/Z120 replacement blocks were cast from the Z129 molds but were not drilled for the external filter. The block casting number (by retentivity) is Z129A600 I think. The original TO20 casting says Z120A600 Information technology volition say one or the other, and if it is Z129 and does not accept the drillings for an external oil filter on the right side, I'd venture to say that is what you have. Well-nigh probable the innards are TO20 equally does the proposition of a sump filled with gunk, which is probably the place that the filter should be. Allow united states know what you call up y'all take JIm [Log in to Answer][No Email]
Dan S (NY) 01-27-2007 19:29:sixteen Study to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to Jim in OH, 01-26-2007 nineteen:53:07 I accept one of those on my TO20. You can see in the moving picture that the bosses for the oil filter and the generator mounts have non been drilled. I have the filter in the pan. [Log in to Reply][No Email]
mike a. tenn. 01-28-2007 01:35:09 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to Dan S (NY), 01-27-2007 nineteen:29:xvi dan...thenks for the picture. now i've "seen" one of the replacement blocks. -mike [Log in to Respond][No Electronic mail]
Matt 50 01-27-2007 08:01:29 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in respond to Jim in OH, 01-26-2007 19:53:07 Could fifty-fifty have a Z129 pan and then Z120 filter under it. Or no filter at all. [Log in to Reply][No Email]
Jerry/MT 01-26-2007 18:40:25 Written report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in answer to david grasmick, 01-26-2007 14:18:03 If you lot don't have an external oil filter, you don't take a Z129 block. Await at the data plate right in the centre on the left hnd side of the engine. It will tell you your engine model and serial number. The Z129 block had a machined dominate for mounting the external oil filter on it on the correct hand side of the block near the rear. More than likely, you engine is a Z120 which has the oil filter internal to the oil pan and has a big circular plate on the bottom of the pan to admission it. As Mike said, coolant in the oil is a sign of anything from a cracked head or block to a blown head gasket or both. [Log in to Reply][No E-mail]
david grasmick 01-27-2007 07:32:27 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-26-2007 18:40:25 The block # are Z129 A6000N. In that location definitly is not an access pigsty in the oil pan. How would I go well-nigh setting this engine up with an oil filter? Appreciate all suggestions and advice. [Log in to Reply][No Email]
Jerry/MT 01-27-2007 11:35:45 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to david grasmick, 01-27-2007 07:32:27 You're using a casting number. That doesn't determine what engine model it is. The data plate volition tell you the engine model number along with the engine serial number. I suppose that someone put a dissimilar pan on your Z120 and either covered up the original oil filter or removed it. "The (Z120) oil filter is located in the crankcase and is supplied with oil from the center main begetting through a standpipe with ii metering holes." (Ref: Ferguson Shop Manual) On the TO-30,"The oil filter is supplied through a drilled metering passage from the chief oil gallery." (Ref: Ferguson Shop Manual). I suppose there is a style to modify the Z120 engine to have an external filter simply it would be cheaper to find the parts and put he original oil filter on. If it were my tractor, That'southward what I would do. Your machine,your $'s, your call. [Log in to Reply][No E-mail]
mike a. tenn. 01-27-2007 15:11:01 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-27-2007 11:35:45 jerry...y'all're right, he should be giving us the engine model and serial# from the information plate. in my shop manual in the "cylinder block" section, nether "model difference" (page 24 in my manual)...it talks about replacement blocks for the 20'south being bandage from the 30'south blueprint, which included an external oil filter prepare upwards. i don't know when they did this or how many "replacement blocks" are out there, but it could be what david has. a long shot but....??? -mike [Log in to Reply][No E-mail]
Jim in OH 01-27-2007 19:59:06 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to mike a. tenn., 01-27-2007 fifteen:11:01 If you read my posting to a higher place, that is what I already said but the TO20 replacement blocks fabricated from the Z19A600 castings did NOT have drillings for the external oil filter (and therefore did NOT include an external oil filter setup) or the generator bracket. (read the final sentence of that paragraph folio 24). I suppose one could drill it for ane, just this could have all internals from either the TO20 or TO30. There is no way to tell without taking the pan off. Jim [Log in to Reply][No Email]
mike a. tenn. 01-28-2007 01:19:03 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in answer to Jim in OH, 01-27-2007 19:59:06 jim...i stand corrected. should take read it closer, maybe i would have understood information technology improve. merely i appreciate you pointing it out for me because now, over again even at my age, i've learned something, which is why i spend and then much time reading all that's in this forum. so cheers. i have a to-twenty with the internal filter, and have never seen 1 of these replacement blocks. i can't imagine david's 20 non having a place for the oil filter, so i agree....it must be inside the cake. thanks again for pointing out my error. -mike [Log in to Respond][No Electronic mail]
david grasmick 01-28-2007 thirteen:39:13 Study to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in respond to mike a. tenn., 01-28-2007 01:nineteen:03 Thanks for everyone'due south input. It appears I'll take to exercise more research and inspection of my tractor. What manuals would anyone suggest I purchase and from what source? [Log in to Reply][No Email]
mike a. tenn. 01-28-2007 14:29:28 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in respond to david grasmick, 01-28-2007 thirteen:39:13 i ordered my to-20 transmission from my massey ferguson dealer, or you can click on "Tractor Manuals" in the "Marketplace" section on the tiptop left margin of this page. it will have yous to a source for manuals and other parts. i ordered my TO-35 manuals from this marketplace and recieved them inside a few days. having the owners/operators transmission is very handy and if y'all're planning on doing whatever type of repair work, the shop or service manual is a must. even tho they're a little expensive, yous'll never be sorry you paid the money for them. have you dropped your oil pan yet? let us know what you notice as i'm curious now as i'm certain a lot of guys on here are. -mike [Log in to Reply][No E-mail]
mike a. tenn. 01-27-2007 11:14:02 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in respond to david grasmick, 01-27-2007 07:32:27 david...if matt fifty.'south guess is right and maybe you accept the wrong oil pan without the access pigsty, (it could perchance take been damaged and replaced with the wrong pan), your filter, or the place for the filter, might exist inside the pan anyway. accept you pulled your oil pan? if you have a replacement engine that was bandage from the TO-30 pattern for the TO and TE-20's, on the lower right rear side of the engine at that place should be a dominate that the oil filter housing is bolted to. i believe this should be right beneath and behind the generator toward the dorsum of the engine. if you take nothing like either of these things, i don't know what you have. perchance someone else on this forum tin can give y'all a better idea or proffer. wish i could help you more... -mike [Log in to Answer][No Electronic mail]
mike a. tenn 01-26-2007 14:34:05 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to david grasmick, 01-26-2007 14:18:03 david...your oil filter is inside your oil pan under that round cover on the bottom of your oil pan. coolant in the oil could mean a number of things from a leaky caput gasket to a cracked cake, which is common on your tractor. [Log in to Reply][No Electronic mail]
david grasmick 01-30-2007 09:04:xiv Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to mike a. tenn, 01-26-2007 14:34:05 I did remove the oil pan as in that location was no access plate. After removing the oil pan that is where I found the circular sump rather than an internal oil filter. [Log in to Reply][No Electronic mail]
mike a. tenn. 01-30-2007 x:35:12 Report to Moderator	Re: to20/z129/no oil filter in reply to david grasmick, 01-30-2007 09:04:xiv david...draw this "round sump" for us. is information technology just a "pipage" that comes downwards into the bottom of the pan? is information technology similar a cup? how is it held in identify or fastened to the inside of the cake? what y'all're calling a sump might be part of the filter assembly. the filter that goes inside a TO- 20 is an "open" filter that looks kinda like a small-scale bore air filter for cars. describe to u.s.a. what you see in there or take a pic and post information technology. -mike [Log in to Reply][No Email]

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